VIDEO: Original Sin According to St. Paul

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1. Excellent work. G-d bless!

2. Love it 💒

3. Strange that this is not the way I was taught Protestantism (which constitutes the majority of church attendants in the West nowadays in spite of the fake statistics). I think there's a serious misconception especially in the way our attitude to righteousness is perceived. In the Protestant theology with most of its affiliations, there is a cute awareness that we are called to reflect God, to become righteous and to be restored to God, through Jesus Christ. The only difference I see here is a question of method rather than of the core issue. Based on Paul, the more one strives to reach righteousness, the more the flesh will wage war against him/her. Trying hard not to sin is the very thing that makes one sin all the more. However, relaxing in God's grace and focusing our gaze on Jesus and on his work is truly helpful. It helps us both; to be redeemed and forgiven in the eyes of God, and to be lifted up to the level of righteousness required by Him. When the fear stops, we're no longer striving. And when the striving stops, the peace of God fills the believer's heart. At this moment, the joy of God (the Holy Spirit) will be received as a result of the assurance of our salvation by faith. All these factos will act psychologically speaking as healers to our wounds and sins. This assurance also is what opens the person's heart to love God fully, for whoever is forgiven much, loves much. There is also the factor of humility of the process. Pride is ranked top vice in God's eyes. Striving and achieving cannot take place without a certain aspect and level of pride building up in the process. When we take our eyes off our sins and focus them on the perfection of Jesus Christ, we will spontaneously follow suit without becoming aware of our gains and achievements, because in truth they are his, not ours. This exactly why the Catholics and Orthodox think that Protestants don't care about righteousness, because the latter don't make such a big fuss about it. They just get on with it!

4. Must adherents to the EOC believe in the fall? If yes – that Adam and Eve lost Grace?

   Must EOC adherents believe that people would not suffer physical death but for the fall?

   Does anyone else apart from Romanides and the Saker think we sin because we fear death?

5. You may have it right that Jerome had problems with translating some of Romans. You however are dead wrong in saying the Cristian faith in the West is different than that in the east as concerning "I'm not afraid of you go ahead and kill me". Both deposits of faith teach the same thing. When you talk about the west you speak of the secular culture of the west, When you speak of the east you speak of the church faithful.You compare apples to oranges. Only the strong in Christ are able to stand to Martyrdom. Fear of physical death is universal. Standing for Christ when prosecuted is the call of all Christians.

   If you think the Christians of the East have this VIRTUE by some special "Understanding" related to or unrelated to Paul's letter to the Romans look to the Eastern Apostles who all but John scattered during Christ Trial Mat:26;31 Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of me this night. For it is written, ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ But after I am raised up, I will go before you to Galilee.” Peter answered him, “Though they all fall away because of you, I will never fall away.” Jesus said to him, “Truly, I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times.” Peter said to him, “Even if I must die with you, I will not deny you!” And all the disciples said the same.

   Eastern Christians fled because of the stoning of Great St. Stephen Acts: 8;1And there arose on that day a great persecution against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. The Eastern Christian never fared any better than did the Western Christians during the Emperors persecutions .

   I'm a Western Christian who is very fond of Easter Christianity with it richness and the truths it has preserved that west has left behind. The teaching of surrendering ones self to Christ is a very basic Christian teaching one that ALL Christians understand East or West. Its not a teaching of man its a teaching by the Holy Spirit that becomes apparent via regeneration.

6. does OC believe in the original sin of adam? does OC believe in atonement?

7. The wages of sin is eternal death, not physical death. The tree of life proves man was always destined for death. Nature also proves this out in the consumption of one DNA structure by another DNA structure for survival of the prevailing DNA. In Revelation 2:7 we still will eat of the tree of life, so instead of eternal physical death, the probability is that the tree of life would translate us into a glorified body and heavenly bound body.

8. Doesn't Jesus have the keys of hell and death that once belonged to Satan?

9. A viewer wrote us,

   "I can't seem to make sense of your presentation of original sin in light of the council of Carthage 419. You teach the effects being physical death, not spiritual death. However, the council states:

   "Likewise it seemed good that whosoever denies that infants newly from their mother’s wombs should be baptized, or says that baptism is for remission of sins, but that they derive from Adam no original sin, which needs to be removed by the laver of regeneration, from whence the conclusion follows, that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins, is to be understood as false and not true, let him be anathema.

   "For no otherwise can be understood what the Apostle says, “By one man sin is come into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed upon all men in that all have sinned,” than the Catholic Church everywhere diffused has always understood it. For on account of this rule of faith (regulam fidei) even infants, who could have committed as yet no sin themselves, therefore are truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that what in them is the result of generation may be cleansed by regeneration.

   "Any insight would be greatly appreciated."

   Michael Hallford responds: The decisions of the councils at Carthage during the 400s never played the same role in the eastern Roman world that they played in the Latin churches. Augustine's interpretations of scripture passages based on Jerome's juridical vulgate translation, which he developed in his disputes against Pelagius, were largely unknown in the Roman east, primarily because of language barriers – Greek versus Latin. The vulgate vocabulary lent itself to an overtly legalist interpretation, rather than the more therapeutic tradition based on Greek vocabulary in the east. Just because the decisions of the Carthage Councils were accepted at the Council of Trullo, a local council, doesn't mean they were widely accepted in the east or understood in the same way. Augustine, whose writings in Latin were never widely known by the eastern fathers, espoused doctrines divergent from the eastern fathers, especially St. John Cassian, St. John Chrysostom and St. Isaac the Syrian. Judgement as it is understood in the Latin west does not mean the same thing as Krisis means in Greek.

10. The DOCTRINE of "ORIGINAL SIN", as referring to "SPIRITUAL DEATH" of man-kind, being transferred to every Human being, is a FALSE representation of the meaning of the word "Sin", and the meaning of the word "Death" !!!
    The Apostle PAUL'S outlook on ADAM'S Sin, is declared by PAUL in Rom.5:12, as follows;…."Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

    What the apostle PAUL is conveying here, Is that SIN, ( the disobedience to God's Command and God's word ) was FIRST Done by ADAM, in his Disobedience of God's Command, to NOT EAT of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and Evil.

    And as Such This disobedience, ( that is called SIN ) was FIRST Contrived by ADAM, and as Such said to have "ENTERED INTO THE WORLD", because there was to be CONSEQUENCES of "Physical DEATH" of the body, as a result of the JUDGMENT for this DISOBEDIENCE Of ADAM !!
    Prior to ADAM'S Willful taking of the fruit, ( remember, Eve was deceived by the Serpent, and Only knew from ADAM telling her, that they were NOT to eat of the fruit of that tree. But ADAM was the One that was given the Direct Command by God, BEFORE Eve was created !! )
    So prior to their Committing this SIN, ADAM and EVE, were Created ETERNAL BEINGS !! They were going to live forever in the garden of EDEN , and have ETERNAL offspring, according to the scriptures, as they were commanded to "replenish the earth", ( that means to "Fill -Up", with what existed in the previous Social System ) This is something that today's debauched modern Theology, does Not understand.

    So in Gen.1:28, BEFORE any disobedience was committed, ADAM and EVE are told to have Offspring, that obviously from the text, would likewise LIVE ETERNALLY, just like ADAM and EVE' who were originally created ETERNAL BEINGS !!
    But, then in Gen.2:17 we read, that God said to ADAM, …." But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely DIE."
    This Curse of "DEATH", that God warned ADAM About, Concerned the Consequence of "PHYSICAL DEATH", and NOT "Spiritual Death" as falsely proclaimed by modern THEOLOGY, as well as the false doctrines of CALVINISM !!
    ADAM and EVE were told that their ETERNAL Existence on EARTH, Would Cease ! And it was THIS CURSE of "Physical Death", that was "passed on" to their Off-Spring, and on to Every human being since THAT TIME !!
    This is What the apostle PAUL is trying to convey in Rom.5:12 when he declares;…"Wherefore as by One man, ( ADAM )…SIN , ( Disobedience to God's LAW ) entered into the world, ( was FIRST practiced in defiance of God's Command )…and DEATH ( physical death ) by SIN, ( by the Disobedience to God's Law )…so "DEATH" ( physical Death ) passed upon All Men".

    The words at the end of that passage;…"for all have sinned", only emphasizes, that All persons, as they grow-up, and pass the "Age of Accountability", will in their lifetime commit SIN.
    ( Nothing More, and nothing Less, The speculations of modern Theology to the contrary, notwithstanding ! )
    So this idea of "ORIGINAL SIN" Supposedly being SPIRITUAL DEATH, that is passed on to all of us from ADAM, is a FALSE and HERETICAL teaching, that is void of scriptural linguistics as well as Common Sense !!
    As "ORIGINAL SIN" was nothing more than DISOBEDIENCE to GOD'S COMMAND , and the Resulting "DEATH" concerns PHYSICAL DEATH that has passed upon All of us !!
    Meaning ADAM and EVE Now CEASED to be IMMORTAL BEINGS, and as such would now suffer the consequences of their disobedience !!

    Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )

11. Having listened to the first about 15 minutes of this presentation, I would like to comment on the response from the "better groomed" guest, who @ minute 12:35 to minute 13:40, began with his very Erroneous analogy as the Devil being "like a Terrorist coming into your house and holding you hostage, and telling you what to do, ….or else" !!

    This is a very Wrong and improper analogy, as we as Human beings, are Firstly by the scriptures declared "Without Sin" from birth, as is clear from Isa.7:16, and Mt.18:2-3, as well as Ezek.18:3-18 !!
    Which emphasizes and exposes this False Idea of "Original Sin" as supposedly a "Spiritual DEATH" that was passed onto All men by ADAM, rather that the Biblical Fact that it concerns
    "Physical Death", that was passed onto all men.
    So when we according to the scriptures pass the "Age of Accountability" ( usually around puberty ) and we as MORTAL human beings, begin to see the acts of those committing things that we by nature know to be wrong, ( as the Bible discusses this idea, that those without the Law, yet follow a law in their nature that is according to the Law of God )
    Yet those "young ones" begin to do the same wrong things,THAT is How human beings become Sinners !! As such we are Not taken Hostage by the Devil, ( he might encourage us a bit ) But WE OURSELVES By our "Lust of the Flesh" and the "Pride of life", We put ourselves in bondage to Sin, ( which is disobedience to the LAW of God )

    Morgan Sorensen ( Biblical Theologian )

12. HI, JUST FOUND THIS VIDEO – wondering if you have any further resources from these two gentleman Timothy Fisher and Michale Halford. thank you

13. The west is fixed on the victory of the cross that overcame the wages of sin which is death

14. According to the official catechism of the catholic church published in 1992,it seems the western church has somewhat modified its position and it appears to have a more eastern flavor. Just my take.

15. Father John Romanidis was a liberal….like most greeks today

16. Sin entered the world. That means we have the ability to sin. We are responsible for our own sins. Ezekiel 18 says the sins of the Father do not carry to the son. My views line up with Orthodox very much as it is Biblical. Original sin is but one. Thank you guys!

17. The Russian theological and catechetical textbooks ante-dating Bolshevism (Law of God, Orthodox Dogmatic Theology, and the Longer Catechism of Met. Philaret) all clearly affirm the “original sin”. I’m not EO myself (I belong to one of the so-called “Monophysite” churches – and proudly so), but it seems Romanides was an innovator in this regard.

    For more info:

    http://www.orthodoxchristianbooks.com/articles/399/romanides-original-sin/

18. Wow man this is deep and I love it

19. Jesus born in a fallen state ?one person is born in a fallen state,Romans 5.12 death spread to all men ,because all have sinned ,(made the choice)

20. baptism does not save us but is an act of a good conscience toward God

21. 39:00 Is it implied here thst Augustine didn't believe in free will? Because that certainly was not the case.

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