A discussion about the differences between the Orthodox Christian and Roman Catholic teachings on prayer for departed souls.
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Notes:
Metropolitan Macarius (Bulgakov) of Moscow [+1882] “Observations on Purgatory”
https://nftu.net/observations-purgatory-met-macarius-bulgakov-moscow-1816-1882/?fbclid=IwAR1DKjxfv550f1nds-7tmJtJLIrla9dkRnwmUCZl2xGZ_mrCYxPCC_xDCCY
First Homily of St. Mark of Ephesus on Purgatory
https://nftu.net/first-homily-of-st-mark-of-ephesus-on-prayer-for-the-dead-and-against-the-roman-catholic-purgatory/
Orthodox Response to Latin Doctrine of Purgatory at Florence
http://orthodoxinfo.com/death/stmark_purg.aspx
Longer Russian Catechsim, Questions 373-377
http://www.pravoslavieto.com/docs/eng/Orthodox_Catechism_of_Philaret.htm
The Orthodox Confession of the Catholic and Apostolic Eastern Church
Questions 64-68
https://ia800205.us.archive.org/19/items/cu31924029363094/cu31924029363094.pdf
Decree 18 from the 1672 Synod of Jerusalem:
We believe that the souls of those that have fallen asleep are either at rest or in torment, according to what each has done; — for when they are separated from their bodies, they depart immediately either to joy, or to sorrow and lamentation; though confessedly neither their enjoyment nor condemnation are complete. For after the common resurrection, when the soul shall be united with the body, with which it had behaved itself well or ill, each shall receive the completion of either enjoyment or of condemnation.
And the souls of those involved in mortal sins, who have not departed in despair but while still living in the body, though without bringing forth any fruits of repentance, have repented — by pouring forth tears, by kneeling while watching in prayers, by afflicting themselves, by relieving the poor, and finally by showing forth by their works their love towards God and their neighbor, and which the Catholic Church has from the beginning rightly called satisfaction — [their souls] depart into Hades, and there endure the punishment due to the sins they have committed. But they are aware of their future release from there, and are delivered by the Supreme Goodness, through the prayers of the Priests, and the good works which the relatives of each do for their Departed; especially the unbloody Sacrifice benefiting the most; which each offers particularly for his relatives that have fallen asleep, and which the Catholic and Apostolic Church offers daily for all alike. Of course, it is understood that we do not know the time of their release. We know and believe that there is deliverance for such from their direful condition, and that before the common resurrection and judgment, but when we know not.
https://books.google.com/books?id=m4kXAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA150&dq=We+believe+that+the+souls+of+those+that+have+fallen+asleep+are+either+at+rest+or+in+torment,+according+to+what+each+has+done;+%E2%80%94+for+when+they+are+separated+from+their+bodies,+they+depart+immediately+either+to+joy,&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsm4rvwNvhAhUNtlkKHbbbDo0Q6AEwAXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=We%20believe%20that%20the%20souls%20of%20those%20that%20have%20fallen%20asleep%20are%20either%20at%20rest%20or%20in%20torment%2C%20according%20to%20what%20each%20has%20done%3B%20%E2%80%94%20for%20when%20they%20are%20separated%20from%20their%20bodies%2C%20they%20depart%20immediately%20either%20to%20joy%2C&f=false
Maybe I missed it but what is the name of the book or document about the council of Florence being read from during this stream?
When did this tradition of purgatory begin being taught in the church?
You are saying that some faults of the faithful although they strive to live in holiness and repent , they go to Hell temporarily according to Mark of Ephesus ? This saying is more worse than purgatory !!!!
Can i say something , the Thief on the cross went with Jesus to paradise in the same day although he didnt produce any fruits in his life
This is deep doctrine. Some very hard ti understand but through the lord he night better reveal this truth to me
Can you go more into Decree 18 from the 1672 Synod of Jerusalem? Does that mean ‘purgatory’ minus all the Roman Catholic innovations is dogmatic?
Slow down! We need time to process what you are reading.
Why do the Orthodox pray for the dead if they don't believe in Purgatory? That doesn't make any sense.