Possibly our longest show ever, with Victor Bermudez discussing Protestant vs Orthodox positions and James, the Dimond Bros' biggest fan, still arguing for the need for "water baptism" (which the rest of us call baptism).
Possibly our longest show ever, with Victor Bermudez discussing Protestant vs Orthodox positions and James, the Dimond Bros’ biggest fan, still arguing for the need for “water baptism” (which the rest of us call baptism).
Great stream. I applaud the patience of Deacon Joseph and Father Enoch with that Protestant guy.
James’s confusion regarding Baptism (water) and baptism of blood and desire comes from a false dialectic that he has created in his own mind. He is pinning Baptism (water) against Baptism of Blood and Desire as if the Church Fathers opposed one or the other. No Church Father rejected Baptism (water). Likewise, no Church Father rejected Baptism of blood or desire. Once James stops thinking in the false dialectic of Baptism (water) vs. Baptism of blood or desire, he will become Orthodox.
For some reason, James reminds me of Nepolian Dynomite lol
18yrs studying but doesn't bother with proper pronunciation?
James needs to explain how the Code of Canon Law of 1917 explicitly allows for catholic burial for unbaptised catechumens (C. 1236) if they were aware that the majority of fathers supposedly "rejected BOD", or that baptism is required "at least in desire" (C. 737). They might claim the CCL is not infallible but it falls under secondary object of infallibility since the general laws and disciplines of the Church are protected from error (you see this principle enunciated in RC documents such as Auctorem Fidei of Pius VI and Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX). This could boost the sedevacantist status another half a century back.
I really found that part of the debate a bit underwhelming, to be honest. James kept missing the point that the Fathers by stating the necessity of baptism are not refuting baptism of desire (which is not properly a sacrament nor "another baptism" but a way by which the Grace of the Sacrament can be provided by God in extreme situations) and saying as such would necessarily and unjustifiably pit one father against another, when we have to presume that the fathers agreed unless there is sufficient proof that they didn't.