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This is the first episode from my interview with Orthodox blogger, author, and Archpriest, Father Lawrence Farley.
In this episode, Father Lawrence discusses the #Orthodox #Christian approach to #Scripture and how it differs from that of Western (in particular, Protestant Evangelical) Christians.
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In many respects this video is helpful, but man this fellow does not do a good of representing what Protestants believe, he says Protestants believe xyz as though all believe that, but I found his comments were typically strawmen and represented quite a degree of naivety. He needs to go and do some proper research, because he clearly doesn't have a very good idea of what Protestants actually believe.
I believe it is an error to lump all Protestants together. A Wesleyan Christian for example may use the Wesleyan Quadrilateral or Anglicans would use the Anglican Triad when interpreting Scripture both of which include Oral Tradition to some extent. With understanding comes wisdom right?
As someone converting to Orthodoxy, this made more sense than anything along these lines than I have heard. And thank you, Fr Lawrence, for a kind outlook on those of us who came from Protestant background (Lutheran in my case). That goes a long way as well.
So many low key roasts sprinkled throughout this against Reformed theology, haha
So good! Thanks
I recently studied carefully the Apostolic Fathers. They confirm what is said here. Evangelicalism is unnecessarily chaotic.
Is there irony in the fact that he is using a lens metaphor while being totally out of focus?
Orthodox priests all speak very short, fast, choppy sentences. This is not a dig, just an observation. Literally every one I've listened to. What is that about I wonder? It's almost as though they are attempting to sound slightly foreign.
do you celebrate the SABBATH, on SATURDAY, OR SUNDAY?
As someone who is genuinely interested in understanding what the Orthodox believe, Father Farley’s comments here were not as helpful as I had hoped.
Around 2:45, Father Farley says of the Protestants, “…they have taken the Bible out of its historical and ecclesiastical context”. Which I found interesting and would like to understand this point better. But what is the proper historical and ecclesiastical context? If I understand his later comments, he’s saying that the context that he’s talking about is the understanding that the church fathers had. But that leads to a couple of follow-on questions: Which church fathers, and how do you decide who is in that list? How late do you go? And does this list include people like Origen? This statement is confusing, not the least of which because (as Father Farley himself also rightly points out), there was no unanimity amongst the church fathers. There were about as many varied beliefs amongst the early ‘Christians’ as there are today.
Another question that comes to mind when watching this video: Do the Orthodox believe in Biblical Inerrancy?
If anyone could shed some light on these points for me from an Orthodox perspective, I would be grateful!
11:03 I'm sorry, but I really struggle with that one. I'm not Orthodox yet, but I've not heard anyone describe the bread as squishy and chewy like human flesh or the wine as salty as is blood. How then could it LITERALLY be the body and blood of Christ. If it was His resurrected body, ok, I don't know the physical properties of his resurrected body, so maybe, BUT the first Eucharist (if you call it that) was before his crucifixion, so that couldn't be it right? In the liturgy we recite that we believe that it truly is His body and blood, but I don't know that I can truly say that and believe it. It's just not logical. "Lord Jesus help my unbelief, and reveal to me the truth."
Just finding your channel and I love it so far, thanks!
Reverend Farley's explanation of the Orthodox idea of the inspiration of Scripture seems untenable. There was no switch that turned on the inspiration of Holy Scripture; that is obvious. We do know this, that according to the early church and apostolic doctrine, "…no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Ghost." (II Peter 1: 21, Revised Version 1888).
However, the Ekklesia recognized the inspiration of the letters of the apostle Paul and the other writings. That was part of how they were decidedly gathered. There were different traditions as to what books should be included, but there was some type of agreement of most of the cannon except the book of Hebrews and the Revelation of John and a few others. Of course the church had to come together as a representative whole at some point to recognize and finalize what the the cannon was and is; thus a major church council. So really the church was instrumental in recognizing what was Holy Scripture. Father Lawrence seems to denigrate the inspiration of Scripture in his explanation. Let's remember what our Lord Jesus said about His word, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew24: 35, ASV, 1905). Also, John 6: 63 "It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life." (ASV).
This Orthodox priest sounds very Catholic
Hes mentioned in Becoming Orthodox, right?
Even if you think that the west theology is lacking …you were in communion for 1000 year …both theology should complete the other ..this is polarizing and wrong and say nothing but wrong things about you so STOP
It says in the bible you must be ‘Born Again’ to enter the kingdom of God. Where does orthodoxy stand on this subject which I guess includes the rapture. Please do a video on this. I am interested what is to be said.
A born again ChrisTian does not need to be orthodox or Catholic
Just make Jesus your Saviour and
Read your BIBLE and pray daily
Trust no man only Christ your only
SAVIOUR NOT manomade relegion and menmade traditions
The very first time I set foot inside an Orthodox Church was at St. Herman of Alaska on the first day of Lent 2017. I felt immediately that I had come home. I was baptized and chrismated by Fr. Lawrence just over a year ago.
I was born and raised UCC which is not Evangelical.
That was a really excellent explanation of the different approaches to understanding the scripture. On one side you have unbroken apostolic study of the Bible for over 2000 years in the Orthodox tradition and the other end you have the chaos that comes from attempting to understand the Bible with absolutely no historical context or scholarship which lead to the never-ending split of the Protestant faith into over 16000 denominations.
I like most of what he said. I only have a small gripe and that is he talked about the "thousands of Protestant denominations".
The only primary source for that I have seen is the encyclopedia brittanica, and it also says there are over 200 Roman Catholic denominations. It is waaaaaaayyyyyyy too broad in what it includes as a denomination.
Mormons and JW are counted when they openly deny the trinity, and churches that are in fellowship full with one another like the AALC and the LCMS are counted separate even though the can preach in each other's pulpits and commune at each other's alters.
It also comsiders churches named differently because they are in a different nation as a different denomination even if they are still organizationally part of a church based in the US.
The numbers are so wildly inflated I wish they would just make their point without citing such sources, because the argument doesnt need bad sources to back it up.
Not Christian but this is a fantastic video and he has a strong argument which Protestants have no valid defenses against.
As a Protestant clergyman who sees the Orthodox Church as the true apostolic expression of the faith, I find his synopsis of a Protestant view of scriptures to be offensive. I was never taught, nor do I know any Protestant theologians who teach, that the scriptures were given to us separate from any apostolic tradition. We see the scriptures as being the revelation of Jesus Christ as given to us by the apostles and verified by the apostolic fathers and succeeding councils. The fact that many different denominations place different emphasis upon those scriptures is only because of their own human understanding. Differences of opinion does not negate the Protestants' understanding of apostolic authority.
What is it with the scraggly hair and beards with the orthodoxy? Very unkempt looking.
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Anglicanism is a form of Protestantism, and is not nearly so hung up on the Bible. The traditional way of saying this is that its system of belief rests on a tripod; faith, reason, and tradition.
Father Lawrence is a very wise an insightful man.
In context such as these, the historical perspective recommends the term "Heterodox" instead of Western: there is a uniquely non-Eastern theology from the ancient West that was equally Orthodox before the schism. The word "Western" should not be connoted as synonymous with heterodoxy, just as anything Eastern is not automatically Orthodox.
Why would anyone listen to this guy over Jesus and His Apostles? Everything we need to know that relates to life and godliness is contained within the Bible. The Bible is God-breathed and is 100% accurate and infallible. This guy has NO IDEA what the gospel is, what the church is or how to teach the Word of God.