VIDEO: Discussion: Bapist Pastor Andrew Sluder & Dcn Joseph Suaiden

30 thoughts on “VIDEO: Discussion: Bapist Pastor Andrew Sluder & Dcn Joseph Suaiden”

1. Deacon, you need to learn about presuppositional apologetics

2. No need to erase the comment, sir! Although I’m not sure why you’d take offense, since I’m literally looking for you to have every advantage and represent the truth as only the orthodox adherent can. If your comment was tongue in cheek, then I salute it, SIR!

3. Deacon Joseph: your explanation and answer re: the Eucharist at around 1:07 is outstanding. Very well stated. Thank you for your work here.

4. Baptism in living water – John was baptizing where? The river Jordan – living is moving water. Who did he baptise in the river? Jesús. So the Didache says it is “better” to use “living water”. Jeremiah describes God as “the spring of living water” and Jesús of Himself as “living water” so it doesn’t require a huge leap in logic to understand the Didache’s suggestion… from Scripture!

   As for “authority” ref interpreting Scripture – don’t Baptist ministers claim to be “authorities” on interpretation? Isn’t that why they’re “ordained”? Don’t they go to Biblical College to learn the knowledge to qualify them for ministry? That’s no different to Orthodox priests going to seminary! Would a Baptist rely more on the preaching of someone who studied and is recognised as an authoritative exponent of Scripture than a layman who’s never studied the Bible? Of course he would!

   Fasting – Jesus says “when you fast” not “if” and He makes it quite plain that fasting with prayer is spiritually advantageous and empowering against evil and particularly the Devil. Hence His fasting in the wilderness and His teaching the apostles that to exorcise some demons they need to fast and pray in preparation…

   This is all quite basic stuff that is clearly Scriptural but also made clear in Tradition – which is why BOTH are held authoritative together by Orthodox, not one thing over the other!

5. Fine job, sir. It was apparent to me that the Pastor was trying to show horn views while you showed a much more broad range of understanding. You also showed a good humor, which was sorely lacking on the other side. If he doesn’t believe in the authority of the church fathers, how can he believe in the canon of scripture?

6. Fine job, sir. It was apparent to me that the Pastor was trying to show horn views while you showed a much more broad range of understanding. You also showed a good humor, which was sorely lacking on the other side. If he doesn’t believe in the authority of the church fathers, how can he believe in the canon of scripture?

7. As an Orthodox Christian, Dcn Joseph clearly contradicts himself in regard to "works" and "assurance" in this discussion. Consideration must be made to the lives of the Saints and how they defended the truth against heresy. One cannot expect to expose paganism if he is ignorant of paganism. One cannot refute Judaism or Islam if he doesn't himself know what they believe. The same goes here when it comes to Baptist theology.

8. Good video. Pastor Sluder was confident but engaging. Not a lot of Protestants are like him so we should commend him for that. I thought Deacon Suaiden made a great point regarding St. Paul's addressing the controversy between the early saints about each other's baptisms. It's only logical to read within it that all those in question were baptized prior to the controversy.

9. John Calvin is the one that came up with your articulation. The spiritual effect is not in a specific moment of the liturgy but rather in our partaking of it.

10. You both were talking past each other in this exchange. I'm a former Ruckmanite turned Greek Orthodox. Pastor Sluder mentioned dispensationalism. There are different schools of dispensationalism which make the subject even more confusing. My point being unless your familiar with Dr. Peter Ruckman's hermeneutical principles discussions like this won't be very productive!

11. The "authority of scripture" or "sola scriptura" is exactly why there are so many schismatic sects.Pastor Sluder is correct in noting this but he somehow doesn't see this undermines sola scriptura? And is scripture really the ultimate authority or is it pastor bob's interpretation of scripture and thus pastor bob who is really the ultimate authority? Spiritual with spiritual? Ethiopian Eunich? You are more patient than I am. I grew up with this baptist nonsense. over 10 years in the church and i just get less and less patient with it. If you want to string parallel phrases together from the bible you can come up with some pretty bizarre stuff.

12. Didache never says we have to baptize in living water. You read it. But he interprets it to mean that. He goes on and on like that interpreting texts and your words contrary to their plain meaning. This guy cannot decipher simple text and speech he should not be teaching anyone. Sees the royal priesthood in rev but doesn't see the apostles apointing presbyters. Yea doesn't go to the greek! exactly! He relies on an english text that translates hiero as priest but not presbyter. Dude can't accept standard etymology of english words. Only accepts kjv translations of words. Off the wall.

13. “Baptists” are Protestants

14. There’s no such thing as “sola scriptura.” This “baptist” went to the most-vague verses, in an attempt to prove his false beliefs; if we don’t go by public interpretation, we go by private interpretation.

15. If the correct interpretation of the bible is found in bible through cross references, how does he interpret the cross reference if it is in the bible? I thought he would say that the correct interpretation of scripture is given by holy spirit, which would makes much more sense. Basically the discussion would be about the canon, how does he know if something is scripture. He could say that the holy spirit also shows him if a book is/not inspired, and then the problem would be about the history of the church, if this position is new, if there was a time that there was no church, if this doesn't contradict bible, etc.

    I'm not orthodox yet, but I think both positions are about faith in something: orthodox has faith in holy spirit using the church to show the truth and the protestant has faith in holy spirit showing him (directly) that the bible is correct. The problem is what position is consistent and honest. Consistency would be about what I said before. About honest: as a protestant (studying orthodoxy), I used to say bible was correct even before I read it. I don't think anyone has faith directly in scripture. I believed in scripture because of the people who gave me it. They seemed to understand and give good explanations about the world and then you trust them, believe god is with them as they say. It is about believing a group of people. The problem is that this group itself say to don't trust any group…

16. Omg, this arrogant, rudeass bumpkin is getting on my last damned nerve, I can’t.🙄

17. “Can you poop God?” reminds me of when a Jewish girl asked me in college if “God f—ked Mary.” Like….really? So I asked her if chickens produced milk. Bitch, bye.

18. Jesus said when you fast (do so & so ), not if you fast. Jesus was baptized in the river. Should we not follow his lead ?

19. Alabama teaching a Greek what Greek is? Hardly

20. i thought the same thing when i found out Baptists didnt believe they needed Baptism to go to heaven when i grew up Baptist and i always i felt it was required

21. Simpletons need everything spelled out, or told what to think.

22. Life is in the blood, divine eternal life. He in us. It's not blood we drain but blood God provides.

23. The real question is do I need necessary a physical copy of the Bible and ability to read at first to be saved?

24. RIP to the pastor

25. Baptists aren't protestants? Lol

26. The point is, that which is believed in also enacted physically. Baptism is the figure of calvary.

27. Word of God wins again against mans pagan traditions.

28. I don’t know about ortodox but catholic only eats but don’t drink.

29. None Orthodox can explain James 2 and Romans 4, so they trow out all epsitels of Paul.

30. 1John5:10-12 proofs about knowing you have eternal life.

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